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Yamaha BB414 & BB614
By Bill Leigh | May 2005
Most experienced players recognize the capital-G Great basses?the historic instruments and innovative boutique beauties that undeniably claim a place in the pantheon of classics. But there have always been little-g greats, too: lesser known models that play so well and sound so good that a select group of knowledgeable players regard them as secret weapons.
Somehow, Yamaha?s BB series has straddled both categories. First introduced in the late ?70s and made in Japan, BB?s became the axe to grab for a handful of rock stars and armfuls of in-the-know working stiffs, who gradually made the well-built, great sounding basses a quiet classic. In the last ten years or so the BB has been reintroduced in artist signature series?like the Nathan East and Michael Anthony models, some of which had a thinner body style, but this year?s bolt-on 400 series passive basses and 600 series active basses mark a return to the BB line?s original shape with updated electronics and the benefits of today?s high-quality automated manufacturing.
I test-drove two new BB 4-strings: a metallic orange BB414 and a pewter BB614. Both looked amazing. Chrome accents around the pickups and on the 614?s Art Deco-esque knobs perfectly complement the bodies? sparkling finishes, which themselves inspired many a covetous glance. The split-coil P-style pickups? exposed pole pieces and the bridge-position soapbar pickups? single curved rail complete the stylish ensemble of understated bling. The now-classic body shape, with its rounded body bouts and asymmetrical, curved-but-not-crazy horns exuded cool. The BBs balanced near-perfectly strapped or seated, with a slight tug of gravity at the headstock. Both had the comfy, rounded BB neck profile and distinctive yet unassuming BB headstock shape. The neck-heel block is cut with a curved outline and fitted with off-center bolts to assure high-fret access.
The new Yamaha BBs? construction quality is exemplary, reflecting tremendous improvements in less-expensive instruments and possibly exceeding that of several low-priced peers. The neck joints were tight and secure, and the necks themselves were carefully shaped and smoothly finished. Frets were seated perfectly in the rosewood fingerboards, with nary a high fret nor buzzy note. In short, these budget basses felt anything but cheap. The control cavities were more typical of offshore mass production: slathered with conductive paint, and in the case of the BB414, tangled with unnecessarily long wires. The 414?s cavity was too cramped for expansion, though adding a preamp might be overkill on this passive hotrod. Kudos for the BB614?s separate battery compartment, but I personally prefer an attached battery compartment cover that can?t be easily misplaced or broken. Careful setups added to the instruments? inviting playability, but the BB414 arrived with excessive bridge-position pickup height, inhibiting back-by-the-bridge finger strokes and making for noticeably uneven pickup balance.
The BB414 was indeed a muscular little groover, with a satisfying dynamic sensitivity and full-bodied punch. The easy-grab volume and tone controls and three-position pickup selector delivered a suitably broad tone palette, with a wickedly punchy fingerstyle tone from the bridge pickup, and a natural-sounding, beefy boom from the neck pickup dialed in or soloed. The bridge pickup sounded a bit thin for slapping, and the soloed P pickup gave that tubby, old-school slap sound, but together they fell short of a full-bodied, modern slap sound. The 414 was also particularly responsive to finger pressure and plucking position; I found it could channel my expressiveness exceptionally well. You could, for example, get a nice midrange bump playing back by the bridge, even with the neck pickup soloed.
While the active BB614 with EQ flat sounded similar to the 414 in most respects, it had a slightly more subdued output. On the other hand, there?s quite a bit of gain to be had in the EQ knobs. Full-on, the bass knob drops quite a payload of extra-wide boom. Giving the mid pot a little goose adds notchy finger-funk burp, while rolling it back with both pickups blended gets closer to a more modern thick and snappy slap sound. The whole time I played the 614, the volume and blend seemed reversed to me, though I?m sure I?d eventually get used to it.
Ultimately, I really dug both the BB414 and the BB614, with a slight personal preference for the passive 414. Both have a responsive, inviting quality that?s the result of quality construction, ergonomics, resonance, finish, and a good setup. In other words, the new Yamaha BBs are great instruments. Only time will tell if that turns out to be great with a capital G.
Yamaha BB414 & BB614
By Bill Leigh | May 2005
Most experienced players recognize the capital-G Great basses?the historic instruments and innovative boutique beauties that undeniably claim a place in the pantheon of classics. But there have always been little-g greats, too: lesser known models that play so well and sound so good that a select group of knowledgeable players regard them as secret weapons.
Somehow, Yamaha?s BB series has straddled both categories. First introduced in the late ?70s and made in Japan, BB?s became the axe to grab for a handful of rock stars and armfuls of in-the-know working stiffs, who gradually made the well-built, great sounding basses a quiet classic. In the last ten years or so the BB has been reintroduced in artist signature series?like the Nathan East and Michael Anthony models, some of which had a thinner body style, but this year?s bolt-on 400 series passive basses and 600 series active basses mark a return to the BB line?s original shape with updated electronics and the benefits of today?s high-quality automated manufacturing.
I test-drove two new BB 4-strings: a metallic orange BB414 and a pewter BB614. Both looked amazing. Chrome accents around the pickups and on the 614?s Art Deco-esque knobs perfectly complement the bodies? sparkling finishes, which themselves inspired many a covetous glance. The split-coil P-style pickups? exposed pole pieces and the bridge-position soapbar pickups? single curved rail complete the stylish ensemble of understated bling. The now-classic body shape, with its rounded body bouts and asymmetrical, curved-but-not-crazy horns exuded cool. The BBs balanced near-perfectly strapped or seated, with a slight tug of gravity at the headstock. Both had the comfy, rounded BB neck profile and distinctive yet unassuming BB headstock shape. The neck-heel block is cut with a curved outline and fitted with off-center bolts to assure high-fret access.
The new Yamaha BBs? construction quality is exemplary, reflecting tremendous improvements in less-expensive instruments and possibly exceeding that of several low-priced peers. The neck joints were tight and secure, and the necks themselves were carefully shaped and smoothly finished. Frets were seated perfectly in the rosewood fingerboards, with nary a high fret nor buzzy note. In short, these budget basses felt anything but cheap. The control cavities were more typical of offshore mass production: slathered with conductive paint, and in the case of the BB414, tangled with unnecessarily long wires. The 414?s cavity was too cramped for expansion, though adding a preamp might be overkill on this passive hotrod. Kudos for the BB614?s separate battery compartment, but I personally prefer an attached battery compartment cover that can?t be easily misplaced or broken. Careful setups added to the instruments? inviting playability, but the BB414 arrived with excessive bridge-position pickup height, inhibiting back-by-the-bridge finger strokes and making for noticeably uneven pickup balance.
The BB414 was indeed a muscular little groover, with a satisfying dynamic sensitivity and full-bodied punch. The easy-grab volume and tone controls and three-position pickup selector delivered a suitably broad tone palette, with a wickedly punchy fingerstyle tone from the bridge pickup, and a natural-sounding, beefy boom from the neck pickup dialed in or soloed. The bridge pickup sounded a bit thin for slapping, and the soloed P pickup gave that tubby, old-school slap sound, but together they fell short of a full-bodied, modern slap sound. The 414 was also particularly responsive to finger pressure and plucking position; I found it could channel my expressiveness exceptionally well. You could, for example, get a nice midrange bump playing back by the bridge, even with the neck pickup soloed.
While the active BB614 with EQ flat sounded similar to the 414 in most respects, it had a slightly more subdued output. On the other hand, there?s quite a bit of gain to be had in the EQ knobs. Full-on, the bass knob drops quite a payload of extra-wide boom. Giving the mid pot a little goose adds notchy finger-funk burp, while rolling it back with both pickups blended gets closer to a more modern thick and snappy slap sound. The whole time I played the 614, the volume and blend seemed reversed to me, though I?m sure I?d eventually get used to it.
Ultimately, I really dug both the BB414 and the BB614, with a slight personal preference for the passive 414. Both have a responsive, inviting quality that?s the result of quality construction, ergonomics, resonance, finish, and a good setup. In other words, the new Yamaha BBs are great instruments. Only time will tell if that turns out to be great with a capital G.
RockinCharly
Active Member
Nachdem ich mir letzte Woche mal den BB-614 in echt nochmal genauer angeschaut habe, ist mir aufgefallen, dass ich die verchromte PU-Umrandung z.B. beim naturfarbenen schon etwas unpassend finde. Komisch ist das, weil es mich an meinem BB-1000 MA überhaupt nicht stört - aber beim schwarzmetallic ergänzt sich das auch ganz gut mit der massiven Chrombrücke.
Also ich finde die Rahmen ultra cool. Am liebsten hätte ich aber goldene, so wie die alten 3000'er sie hatten. Leider hat ja sogar der 3000MA "nur" silberne Hardware, sonst hätte ich schon längst einen. Das wichtigste ist aber der Sound - außer dass ich den Hals des BB1000 etwas "weich" finde, ist der Bass eine reine Offenbarung,- habe schon einige Fender besessen, aber im passiven Bereich kann selbst mein USA Prezi nicht mithalten...
Jetzt, wo die BB3000MA bei Musik Produktiv biliger geworden sind, denke ich über einen solchen nach...
Jetzt, wo die BB3000MA bei Musik Produktiv biliger geworden sind, denke ich über einen solchen nach...
bassocksky
One Prick Tony
@Bassomane: danke für die Info!
@den Rest:
ich hatte jetzt endlich mal die Gelegenheit, einen gebrauchten BB3000MA beim Store zu testen. Mal abgesehen davon, dass das Gerät total runtergeritten war und preislich völlig überzogen (entsprechend ungefähr Neupreis bei MP), war ich eigentlich ziemlich enttäuscht.
Ich lasse jetzt auch mal ausser Acht, das die Saiten natürlich ziemlich tot waren.
Das Folgende immer bezogen auf den kleinen BB1000MA:
- Pro: ausgewogener Ton (dank Neck-Trough)
- Pro: besseres Sustain
- Pro: D-Tuner enthalten
- Pro: die heissen Chilli-Dots
- Contra: viel weniger Punch (!)
- Contra: Hals subjektiv klobiger
- Contra: keinen echten Charakterton
- Contra: undynamischer
ausserdem waren zumindest bei diesem Bass die Bundstäbchen schlechter eingepasst und der Lack platzte deswegen an den Seiten ab.
Insgesamt hatte mich der Bass nicht überzeugt []
Nicht, dass ich den Bass schlecht fand, aber für den Preis bekommt man Ausdruckstärkeres.
Im direkten Klangvergleich hätte ich auch dem 1000er den Zuschlag gegeben.
Der 3000er hängt irgendwo zwischen Rock und Edel ohne sich für eine Seite zu entscheiden - wirklich bedienen kann er beide nicht.
Nee, da bin ich mit meinen Jungs wirklich super zufrieden. Punch & Dreck und Durchsetzungsvermögen ohne Ende.
@den Rest:
ich hatte jetzt endlich mal die Gelegenheit, einen gebrauchten BB3000MA beim Store zu testen. Mal abgesehen davon, dass das Gerät total runtergeritten war und preislich völlig überzogen (entsprechend ungefähr Neupreis bei MP), war ich eigentlich ziemlich enttäuscht.
Ich lasse jetzt auch mal ausser Acht, das die Saiten natürlich ziemlich tot waren.
Das Folgende immer bezogen auf den kleinen BB1000MA:
- Pro: ausgewogener Ton (dank Neck-Trough)
- Pro: besseres Sustain
- Pro: D-Tuner enthalten
- Pro: die heissen Chilli-Dots
- Contra: viel weniger Punch (!)
- Contra: Hals subjektiv klobiger
- Contra: keinen echten Charakterton
- Contra: undynamischer
ausserdem waren zumindest bei diesem Bass die Bundstäbchen schlechter eingepasst und der Lack platzte deswegen an den Seiten ab.
Insgesamt hatte mich der Bass nicht überzeugt [
]Nicht, dass ich den Bass schlecht fand, aber für den Preis bekommt man Ausdruckstärkeres.
Im direkten Klangvergleich hätte ich auch dem 1000er den Zuschlag gegeben.
Der 3000er hängt irgendwo zwischen Rock und Edel ohne sich für eine Seite zu entscheiden - wirklich bedienen kann er beide nicht.
Nee, da bin ich mit meinen Jungs wirklich super zufrieden. Punch & Dreck und Durchsetzungsvermögen ohne Ende.
...und da käme noch dazu, dass der BB3000MA eine Mensur von 860mm hat, während der BB1000MA über volle 864mm verfügt. Ich finde die Länge oft doch wichtig im Leben... )) In der Tat ist der "ggebrauchte" 3000er beim Store ein Transportschaden und dass er bei MP neu fast das gleiche kostet, habe ich auch schon erfreut dem neuen Katalog entnommen.
Ich glaube auch nicht, dass der BB3000MA noch besser klingen kann als sein kleiner aber großer Bruder...
)) In der Tat ist der "ggebrauchte" 3000er beim Store ein Transportschaden und dass er bei MP neu fast das gleiche kostet, habe ich auch schon erfreut dem neuen Katalog entnommen. Ich glaube auch nicht, dass der BB3000MA noch besser klingen kann als sein kleiner aber großer Bruder...
Hab bei TalkBass diesen Bericht gefunden:
Yamaha BB414 and BB614
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Just tried out these basses and my buddy (tb=Hou) and I are completely gassing! We tried a few of the same model to see if Yamaha just got lucky on the one we started playing. But no! They were all amazing! Some of them were just out of the box and were just killer.
Nothing to notice on the build quality - craftsmanship. The playability on this bas was awesome and very smooth. The sound, I mean THE SOUND! My God. When you had the two pickups blended there was an excellent slapbass sound with big balls to go with it. Solo the neck-pickup and you had a very smooth deep p-sound. The instrument was very clear and with the active preamp you could change it dramatically litteraly with the flick of the wrist
We played through an Ampeg SVT and 8x10 but also some Eden stuff and EBS HD350 with neo 2x12 and 2x10 just to make sure it wasn't the Ampeg that produced this lovely noice. It wasn't. These basses ROCK. The active model it just a tad more punch in it and also the active preamp is very flexible. But the passive was also very very nice. We tried one B-string that was kind of floppy but after some tuning it was much better. I noticed that the brigde on the B-string was significantly moved back with respect to the other four.
In the shop we also tried Stingray 5, Fender P Highway (in fact very nice), Fender J '75 limited edition, Fender J QMT 4 and 5. Maybe it was due to poor setup on the high-end Fenders but we have to admit that the Yamaha kicked these booties for sure.
If you have to opportunity go out and give them a try. I promise you that you'll be surprised at just how MUCH value you get for money. It's redicoulous!
It has to be said that Hou usually plays Fodera Monarch but he was completely blown away of the quality, sound, look and last but not least the VERY low price. If I'm not mistaken he will buy one on monday when the shop opens again.
I'm thinking of selling my Fender J MIA Deluxe now, getting a BB614 to stand beside my Sadowsky Metro Ultra vintage 5(on order). Wouldn't that be a sight?
Now if you only could get the active in orange... Now that would be funky!
Yamaha BB414 and BB614
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Just tried out these basses and my buddy (tb=Hou) and I are completely gassing! We tried a few of the same model to see if Yamaha just got lucky on the one we started playing. But no! They were all amazing! Some of them were just out of the box and were just killer.
Nothing to notice on the build quality - craftsmanship. The playability on this bas was awesome and very smooth. The sound, I mean THE SOUND! My God. When you had the two pickups blended there was an excellent slapbass sound with big balls to go with it. Solo the neck-pickup and you had a very smooth deep p-sound. The instrument was very clear and with the active preamp you could change it dramatically litteraly with the flick of the wrist
We played through an Ampeg SVT and 8x10 but also some Eden stuff and EBS HD350 with neo 2x12 and 2x10 just to make sure it wasn't the Ampeg that produced this lovely noice. It wasn't. These basses ROCK. The active model it just a tad more punch in it and also the active preamp is very flexible. But the passive was also very very nice. We tried one B-string that was kind of floppy but after some tuning it was much better. I noticed that the brigde on the B-string was significantly moved back with respect to the other four.
In the shop we also tried Stingray 5, Fender P Highway (in fact very nice), Fender J '75 limited edition, Fender J QMT 4 and 5. Maybe it was due to poor setup on the high-end Fenders but we have to admit that the Yamaha kicked these booties for sure.
If you have to opportunity go out and give them a try. I promise you that you'll be surprised at just how MUCH value you get for money. It's redicoulous!
It has to be said that Hou usually plays Fodera Monarch but he was completely blown away of the quality, sound, look and last but not least the VERY low price. If I'm not mistaken he will buy one on monday when the shop opens again.
I'm thinking of selling my Fender J MIA Deluxe now, getting a BB614 to stand beside my Sadowsky Metro Ultra vintage 5(on order). Wouldn't that be a sight?
Now if you only could get the active in orange... Now that would be funky!
RockinCharly
Active Member
Kurze Zusammenfassung für alle, die nicht so gut mit Englisch klar kommen: Da ist jemand absolut begeistert von dem BB-614! []
]Ja, die Farbaufteilung ist nicht nachzuvollziehen! Was sich die Marketing-Heinies ausdenken, geht oft so am Markt vorbei.. Da gibt es diese absolut ausgefallene metallic-orange Lackierung nur auf den billigen passiven und die aktiven gibt es in schwarz, natur oder einem anderen Nichts an Farbe.. Zum Verzweiffeln...
@domespeed
Die "Übersetzung" is ka sch....[]
Ich hab mir übrigens meinen 615er schon bestellt. Allerdings habe ich mir noch nie so schwer bei der Farbauswahl getan. Schwarz schaut zwar auf Fotos gut aus, ist aber irgendwie sehr unauffällig auf der Bühne. Die Kombination Schwarz mit braunem Palisander Griffbrett gefällt mir auch nicht besonders. Der Yellow Natural Bass schaut einem Biertisch nicht unähnlich. Hier muß man wohl viel Glück haben um ein schönes Teil zu erwischen. Aus der Not hab ich mir den pewter/zinn farbenen bestellt. Schaut auf den üblichen Fotos im Netz grausam aus, kommt in Natura wohl besser rüber. Hier kann man mal ein gescheites Foto sehen:
http://www.station-music.de/ unter Yamaha BB615.
Übrigens mein Favorit wäre auch orange gewesen.
Die "Übersetzung" is ka sch....[
] Ich hab mir übrigens meinen 615er schon bestellt. Allerdings habe ich mir noch nie so schwer bei der Farbauswahl getan. Schwarz schaut zwar auf Fotos gut aus, ist aber irgendwie sehr unauffällig auf der Bühne. Die Kombination Schwarz mit braunem Palisander Griffbrett gefällt mir auch nicht besonders. Der Yellow Natural Bass schaut einem Biertisch nicht unähnlich. Hier muß man wohl viel Glück haben um ein schönes Teil zu erwischen. Aus der Not hab ich mir den pewter/zinn farbenen bestellt. Schaut auf den üblichen Fotos im Netz grausam aus, kommt in Natura wohl besser rüber. Hier kann man mal ein gescheites Foto sehen:
http://www.station-music.de/ unter Yamaha BB615.
Übrigens mein Favorit wäre auch orange gewesen.
RockinCharly
Active Member
Die Übersetzung bei heisoft ist identisch, also genau so chaotisch. [
] Wenn man(n) bedenkt, dass diese Übersetzungen alle auf der SYSTRAN-Engine (Enterprise) basieren und der Hersteller schon für die Pro-Version 222,- EURO verlangt, dann wird eines klar: Geldverschwendung!Aber bevor's jetzt ZU off-topic wird, noch ein kleiner Kommentar zu den erhältlichen Farben: ich verstehe nicht, dass es diese Modelle nicht in weiß gibt - das ist genau so neutral wie schwarz aber viiiiiiiieeeeeeel chicer.
Charly, da hast Du recht! Habe ein jpg von einem Bassisten, der einen weißen BB3000 (also gleiche Form wie die neuen BB's) spielt. Sieht geil aus - allerdings macht sich wie auch schon erwähnt da die goldene Hardware des BB3000 besser als die silberne der neuen BB's...
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